Theres not even new raids or fractal content, just empty promises. Yes, Reaper Shroud has a bigger drawback in exchange for a much bigger benefit. But at least according to the wiki, it is AoE stealth. **kitten give more love to engineer's other traitlines. There is one big advantage that a normal holo can't do which is photon wall allows you to block attack while attacking - and quickness holo autoattack plus F3 F4 burst (it gives vigor too which further increases damage) while blocking is undeniably OP. You ignored the trait that makes reaper shroud actually broken (while I imagine you at the same time didnt ignore enhanced heat capacity storage unit), you assumed a skill so janky its never used is used, and you ignored the entire aspect of heat. The idea that Photon Forge damage is SO MUCH worse than Reaper's Shroud isn't played out by the actual math. Not a chance. Why are you so surprised to hear about something that happened multiple times in the MOTA? Plenty of weird "obstructed" errors too. /)_- I think you two miss the point of this entire discussion. If we count healing skills as "utility skills", then there is also Hide in Shadows, which also has lower cd. Also, 'nade kit didn't see any proper use in the past 5 years, so it shouldn't be that surprising. Except it is. And the talk about Reaper Shroud is because people want to treat photon forge like reaper shroud (i.e. As established above, in an actual use case photon blitz is awful and as such is never used. I'm really bored of it at this point, and I, and many others, absolutely will not wait for another patch weeks, if not months, down the line to fix this spec. Don't 360 while you're using, don't do it around easy line of site and it's fine. As I said, Holo is the only one that can use shield effectively. Why is Holosmith's trait line providing condition conversion, passive healing, as well as it's utilities providing high access to block and protection? I'm sure if we gave 30%+ damage to most power weapons then their damage would seem equally (or more) as ridiculous. Tagged games, guild wars 2, gw2, heart of … Blind on explosive could require you to take 3 trait lines for a single trait and it'd still be obscenely overpowered. @Shiyo.3578 said: Complete side note: even with the balance changes that are coming next week, I think the topic of this discussion is still entirely relevant. Reaper has a slightly longer cast time, but CCs for more than twice as long. This would justify buffing the barrier a little bit while getting rid of the 'your dodge now gives both damage and sustain'. I think a miracle occurred, but I actually agree with you on that one. You dont stay in Photon Forge to kill someone. Why is comparing veil with toss elixir s grasping at straws? It's true the base cooldown is only 5 higher than blinding powder, but every single eng build takes alchemy a HGH does it not? I thought that you maybe consider veil here, since it also AoE stealths. And Reaper can obtain that lifeforce quickly and consistently. Practically due to how much it increases heat for the little payback, and how jank the skill is, its usually a DPS loss. New Player Guide for the Engineers Holosmith Elite Specialisation. Something needs to change. A high skill cap PvP Power Revenant burst build, created primarily for carrying teamfights. Also, there's no need for a net -healing% on holo. If you want the breakdown reaper auto attacks ARE stronger than Photon Forge, but Corona Burst and Photon Blitz are significantly more spammable than Soul Spiral allowing Forge's overall DPS to overcome Reaper's on the two meta builds when using quickness from Elixir U, and it's only 800 DPS behind Quickness Marauder Shroud without quickness. This'll make the trait more broadly applicable but on a much lower level. Seems stupid, but oh well. It's a step in the right direction at least. Barrage got nerfed twice since (coef. The Holosmith Elite Spec. For a detailed skill history, see here. While it is true that grenades can at times be relatively difficult to distinguish, the rest of the build is easy to identify. So reaper goes shroud and thats it. So I am yet to develop a fun build for the Holosmith. You sure that Sniper idea is as good as you thought it was gonna be?Because I think my original idea is better. But you dont have much better things to do. Its just a ton of free health, which you obtain at rates much faster than lifestealing. It was made into the Warrior Strength line, which is a line for class with low ability count that needs passives that buff these abilities to be on par with the rest, and engi got it while being a class with a lot of options, so it has all of these active strong abilities and on top it gets strong passive abilities. Itd be nice if it was made useable, but that should be a profession-wide effort. I've personally never minded the damage on holosmith. This is not a build that someone can simply stealth and kill. So today, I tried Rune of Earth for the Protection Holosmith build. That's an understatement. Photon Forges autos have a total coefficient of 2.132. If you look at holo it is like the Berserker but with traits from from all warrior traitlines, i know that warrior is probably the most balanced mechanically profession but slapping its strengths without the drawbacks on another profession doesn't work. I am perpetually blinded against holosmiths and aboslutely SICK of it. All orders are custom made and most ship worldwide within 24 hours. Just saying. When you say "when you compare the two without quickness", you are aware youre also ignoring 300 ferocity as well, which is a pretty big damage boost too, right? The most important one is sword. Sure, why not, I prefer explosive Temper anyway. A lot of this comes from it's utilities and traits. @UNOwen.7132 said: Something has to give, you can't have a design philosophy for class balancing then make a single class completely ignore this philosophy and have everything at once. I also hate how forge#2 can give perma-superspeed if used off cooldown (wasn't superspeed supposed to be scrapper's thing? Damage aint there. reaper shroud is entire class mechanic. Let me explain you why it is a bad idea to duel builds that excel at that, at some point you run out of life force generation. as far as i know, grenade and bomb kits recieved nerfs in the past. You want to see bad? The high damage of photon forge skills is mostly from the damage increases from the last minor trait and might (to do with high heat) than the actual skills themselves. High quality Renegade gifts and merchandise. Which of the two can play different roles without hindrance,which one can 1v1, which one can bunker if so wills it.The reaper kit just works for teamfights and it doesn't work outside of that, and currently holo does not have a niche it can be whatever it wants to be it is even contesting reaper on the aoe teamfight just by having grande kit. A detailed guide on the Power Holosmith in Guild Wars 2. Its no comparision, Reaper Shroud is a vastly superior form. Nice to know pvp is about hittig a golem xďddd , reaper shround one shot ppl , do big dps in long time doenst mean nothing , this is not kitten pve , scourge does far more dmg than reaper but the thing is reaper has big dmg in small time , and holo access to quickness in photom forge is so kitten small , elixir is ur only breakstun u can use it freely to do dmg while holo mains doenst use sword 3 with photon forge , sword 3 is used with morter or granade kit after leaving photon forge with dmg boost but u dont even know cuz ur just bringing stupid pve logic to a complex scenarios , Nice to know pvp is about hittig a golem xďddd , reaper shround one shot ppl , do big dps in long time doenst mean nothing , this is not kitten pve , scourge does far more dmg than reaper but the thing is kitten has big dmg in small time , and holo access to kickness in photom forge is so kitten small , elixir is ur only breakstun u can use it freely to do dmg while holo mains doenst use sword 3 with photon forge , sword 3 is used with morter or granade kit after leaving photon forge with dmg boost but u dont even knos cuz ur just bringing stupid pve logic to a complex scenarios. AoE is better than ranged. All of these suggestions would just mean that Holo gets Chronod, and core engineer is the only engineer people will play. Holosmith should have augmented engineer into a high risk, high reward damage spec. Reckless Impact -> warrior deals damage after dodging, this attack is even unblockable and able to crit Literally big flashing lights and a full-character model make-over into a flashy light humanoid. © 2021 ArenaNet, LLC. The shroud would be insane even without it. Photon Forge is a minor DPS boost? But yeah, slightly lower range. More damage in the long period, but a lot less in the short erm. Then we get the Corona Burst on every build again. Practically due to how much it increases heat for the little payback, and how jank the skill is, its usually a DPS loss. 1600 DPS if theyre spamming under confusion and while torment, when confusion alone does a lot more than 1600 damage in a second? Its not much, but Holo also just doesnt gain much outside of traits. The trait Over Shield, in Inventions, increased the effectiveness of Protection from 33% to 40%. Since when is a cd of 36 seconds considered "low cd"? it's just on it's face too high value for what isn't even a grandmaster trait. You just aren't getting ridiculous 4-6k crits from the auto attacks like you used too and it also probably looks wimpy compared to some of the Grenade Barrage crits people are getting. Jump to navigation Jump to search. Well it is not rocket science to throw some nades at a stunned target. Condi conversion, damage up (in particular might), and a bit of sustain. Acquisition []. And those are more accessible (and arguably photon forge is just a mediocre kit). A simple deduction is Holo is performing either thanks to holo trait line either thanks to PF either thanks to both. The main issue I think is to do with the perks of having high heat. kitten all PoF specks are total kitten. But no. Protection Injection provides a bit better sustain against CC bursts, but gives up significant Vigoruptime. After so much theory crafting, tweaking, and tuning. Are you saying there's something wrong with a class that can do high melee and ranged damage, keep high vuln, poison, bleeds, and burns on someone, stealth, cc lock, block, heal to near full in the span of one stealth, become invulnerable, have easy access to quickness and high might, not only cleanse conditions but convert them, spam high damaging aoe attacks, and.. should I continue? Holo is pretty dead atm, it has no survivability unless you dodge everything XD. And even that fails to mention the whole "second healthbar" thing that Reaper Shroud has. Lasers Edge scales linearly. Running holosmith should force the player into a high risk high damage spec that needs to play very correctly because it's capacity to resustain and recover after a serious mistake is significantly less than core engineer and especially scrapper. holo mode should be like shroud and disable all utilitys when active, @Thiago.5946 said: And its good to enable the good traits. EN FR DE ES. Its outclassed by sword (as in, Engineers regular sword) in the most common heat thresholds. Flashbang isnt that far ahead of it. I put some thought into the skills and traits and compaired them to the current meta and my engi spreadsheets.. Talking PvE / Raids now: What we can safely say is that the Holosmith is mainly a power spec and will augment the current power Engineer. Now we get the big differences. Holomancers are the npcs creating holograms, and it's something different from holosmith.--Inquest Overseer Ezrielia 17:44, 14 March 2020 (UTC) Furthermore grenade barrage should get a unique, distinguishable animation. And i see you all missing the point that the explosives traitline got PVE buffed, one would say powercrept. They also dont really have that much sustain. @N A T E.3108 said: This means that this topic is still something that needs to be addressed because balance still is going to suck and build diversity is still going to be trash. Posted by: Pip Squeak.3418. Reaper shroud has 5 skills that synergise well, and is brutally powerful to the point that the entire class focuses around it. The #1 NA and EU player on the leaderboards both play Holosmith. Except it's also just objectively stronger than both at virtually everything. This build will require the Deadeye to choose targets carefully and find a perfect location for the best shot. This is a pretty good buff which can carry your subgroup even more. Let's hope they make good decisions moving forward. Holosmith is essentially living in the cele meta while every other class is following said post-feb philosophy. Sure, lets go side by side. Personally, I wouldnt mind if they gave it more of a drawback in exchange for an actually powerful and cohesive Photon Forge. From Guild Wars 2 Wiki. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. Why is firearms so godawful, why has alchemy been nerfed so many times but is still basically required, why even are dead traits, why does aim-assisted rocket have a minimum range. And if this is the case (will test it right after doing Tarir right now), then this still leaves us with just 1 "comparable skills" you provided as an example: mass invisibility. Constantly nerfed for the sake of bringing down Holo. This is core Engi's fate. Explosive Entrance should still 100% see a nerf. Chill is good for their out-of-forge mobility. And beyond that, whats your setup, how much heat? The only skill that would be a fair comparison for Toss Elixir S would be thief's Blinding Powder. A lot of teammates do even in plat. The damage just isnt there. I mean, it is the best sidenoder, even if its not by very much. God of PvP's condition mirage build is hitting 1,600 DPS . It feels like they didnt want to double down on having holosmith have a big powerful alternative form in exchange for drawbacks, so they made both the drawback and the alternative form way more minor than reaper shroud. But its still a whole lot better than not having any. So a universal "NERF EXPLOSIVE ENTRANCE" or "NERF GRENADE KIT" shouldn't be a part of the discussion unless core and scrapper are over-performing with those as well (which they are not). This class will be even stronger now, despite a nerf to grenade barrage, since the tanky classes got a lot less tanky and everyone will be dying quickly to holosmith now, so they will carry games even harder(Both the rank1 NA and EU play holosmith). Then you havent played with either. It's one of the worst designed elite specs from a perspective of just augmenting literally everything the core class does. holo forge takes over 1 F skill. You say that like Forge has bad damage or something. Currently Holo has too much "you have to dodge this" skills, you have dodge their heal, their after dodge effect, their forge and the grenades. Guild Wars 2 ~ Holosmith Roaming | New Elite Specialization #1 [VoD] ... Ahh Simply cannot wait for Anet to nerf this class into the ground. Photon Forge will still pick apart a target in seconds even without Quickness. 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